Talk:Kalgoorlie

Requested move 27 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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Kalgoorlie → Kalgoorlie-Boulder – Kalgoorlie is a colloquial shortening, and used in conversation, but the name, in line with places such as Wagga (Wagga-Wagga), Port (Port Macquarie) and others, should indicate the full name, as any natural person of the area would denote, that being Kalgoorlie-Boulder. This is the name referred to by the ABS, Federal, State, Local governments, and by most major sources on the matter. This has been discussed in the talk page, but is constantly rolled back without discussion. It seems there is an erroneous editor who thinks they know better with no explanation. This should be considered independant of their history on the name. Astroditer (talk) 05:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 06:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment: We already have City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder. Could you explain what administrative division or entity you want this combined article here to cover? Calistemon (talk) 09:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

This is in response to the 2008 and 2018 commenter's same position, that this page should not refer to the suburb, but to the whole metropolitan area that is known as Kalgoorlie-Boulder. I think a lot of commenters in response to the move are using the idea that colloquial shortenings are synonymous with the real name. The 3 sources linked in 2018 showed 3 different examples that refer to the region. Importantly, google itself recognizes kalgoorlie-boulder as the name for the metropolitan region.

Wikipedia should adapt articles as their nature changes. At the moment, the article is just becoming increasingly dated as it refers to a different name than most people recognize as the area. There seem to be no convincing discussions on this name other than “why change the name”. The LGA and statistical divisions are supporting, but the name of the metropolitan area is Kalgoorlie-Boulder, Wikipedia should refer to the proper name, not the shortened name

im not sure why posted evidence to support a change can be dismissed by commenters whose only support is that they ‘feel’ it shouldn’t be changed. Where is there any evidence or source to the idea that we should continue naming it something different to everyone else. Why do none of the commenters have any position other than their opinion?. Astroditer (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I’ll add the sources from Enjgine here. I decided that since there were no replies to the talk request I would make the move on their behalf.

“” Can anyone provide any sources for the name "kalgoorlie" that are official in any sense? Below are the sources for it's real name, Kalgoorlie-Boulder. https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/dc37215ffb6c6f32ca2574020010ff5a!OpenDocument https://www.ckb.wa.gov.au/ https://www.gedc.wa.gov.au/our-region/regional-plans/goldfields-esperance-regional-investment-blueprint “” Astroditer (talk) 04:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment I have reverted an IP editor's very-recent changes that imply this move had already taken place; I don't see any clear support in the talk page history for these changes. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

It would be more useful if you replied to the support instead of writing it off as “doesn’t count”. At least tell us why the posted sources don’t apply? Astroditer (talk) 04:10, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment it is very strange to have a 4 edit editor show such a comprehensive understanding of over 10 years of editing, and the contents of earlier stages of this talk page in this context. The tedious early days of trying to explain wikipedia to editors that Kalgoorlie was not the largest city in the world somehow comes back with a notion of a natural person of the area, and most major sources on the matter... Indeed maybe, but like all the previous attempts (archived) where is the proof... It is always interesting to think that there is an erroneous editor who has visited this subject. JarrahTree 00:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I think the argument is that most of the pre-1990 content should be moved to Kalgoorlie (suburb) (suburb here meaning "an area smaller than the government area of City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder", not the Oxford dictionary definition of "an outlying district of a city, especially a residential one."), and that this main article should be about the metropolitan area. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I have only been here for a year or two. I think you’re confusing 3 different people. I agree that it’s confusing that kalgoorlie-boulder has a Wikipedia article named “Kalgoorlie” when the google search that brings you here is for “Kalgoorlie-boulder” Astroditer (talk) 04:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I do also find this odd. It is possible that Kalgoorlie-Boulder ought to be changed to redirect to City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder rather than to Kalgoorlie. But I think that sort of thing would be out of scope of an RM. Perhaps that issue should get brought up at RFD? Bensci54 (talk) 18:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. The proposed is contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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