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Offence

" he has caused offence by mocking various groups and individuals, including ethnic minorities, women, the Queen Mother (whose death occurred hours before the recording of his show Standing Room Only), and himself"

He has caused offence by mocking himself? No he hasn't; that's just a stupid attempt to say "it's ok to be racist as long as you laugh at yourself as well". I am removing it

Here we go

There is little evidence for parts of this piece (e.g. the 350,000 audience figure which has been removed). Also, it was of questionable neutrality. User:Mr_magoo 19:08, 25 May 2005

Good call

Looks good to me! Brookie: A collector of little brown things 20:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Web site

What has happened to chubby's home page?

It seems to have moved to here so I have changed the link on the article page. The curate's egg 15:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chubbysworld isnt the official site for Roy, but its pretty much the only site that still exists. Treevillan 00:04, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be fixed

One of the least funny comedians? POV??

Small edit

Small edit to the first paragraph - namely putting 'spoon-basher' in quotation marks. Midwinter 22:00, 12 November 2005 (GMT)

It could use clarification on who exactly is this "spoon-basher", as the article doesn't currently mention anything further about it. --212.94.80.106 14:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Age

If Roy was born in 1945 was he really working mens clubs in the 1950's as stated ?

Pronunciation of "fuck"

Brown pronounces the word 'fuck' as 'fook'. He stated in a documentary that he does this to make his repeated use of the word seem more cheeky and less offensive.

This doesn't seem to make sense. He's from Middlesbrough, of course he pronounces it "fook". How (and to whom) would the normal Northern pronunciation make word seem less offensive, and anyway why would he care about that given that his whole act is a deliberate celebration of "offensiveness"? Unless some kind of source can be produced for this alleged comment in "a documentary" the sentence should be removed. Flapdragon 00:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

completely disagree with this strange idea that all Northerners say "fook". Whenever someone quotes the Gallagers or The Beatles they say "fook". These people say fuck! Fuck fuck fuck! Brown says fook, they say fuck. I suppose it could be less offencsive in the same way that Father Ted uses "Feck"--Crestville 19:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, everyone knows that Northerners say "fuck", whereas Southerners say "fack" (as in "fack you, you facking cant!") - just see any edition of Viz magazine. 217.155.20.163 18:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is Viz comic a reputable source? 2600:6C5A:657F:E631:740A:7BF7:46B6:F763 (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place of origin

Oh I love the fact that Chubby's place of birth has been changed from Middlesbrough to Redcar & Cleveland (even though Redcar & Cleveland didnt even exist at the time of his birth). He was born in Grangetown, part of the Eston Urban District (a district is JUST an area of Council and not a TOWN), Under the Local government of Middlesbrough, part of the Middlesbrough Urban area. He was/is anything but Redcar and/or Redcar and Cleveland for that matter.

Also, on a recent visit to Scarborough I saw him live, he made a joke about the estate he was born in, at Grangetown, in Middlesbrough!! If he says hes from Boro than I agree. Grangetown is omly part of "Redcar & Cleveland" for the purpose of council and local government, its is Physically merged/connected/co-existant etc. with Middlesbrough. It is Middlesbrough regardless of administrative boundaries. --dj_paul84 20:10, 16 August 2006

I was born and brought up in that area - letters always said "Grangetown, Middlesbrough, Cleveland".

By the way - despite his and my surname being Vasey and both of us were born in Grangetown, we (Roy "Chubby" Brown and myself) aren't actually related - my dad's family came from Whitby! Arthurvasey (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleveland only existed from 1974 - 1996, so he wasn't born in Cleveland. Jim Michael (talk) 19:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chubby

Not a bad article so far, but glaring inconsistencies when compared with his autobiography. I'll attempt some cleanup later. Everybody... your homework for tonight is to read this fascinating book! 82.42.100.116 14:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Management

Maybe this will serve as a reminder to myself, but something needs to be added about his change of management from George Forster to Handshake Group. 82.42.100.116 14:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where he currently lives

I know for a fact chubby brown lives in Fulstow not Tetney in lincolnshire (Oliver.smith88 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

The documentary

Since the documentary this page seems to be filled with a lot of biased language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.211.125 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 9 May 2007

His act

This article says that Brown's material is highly racist and sexist. Is this really true? I have never seen his act but I understand he is considered controversial mainly because he is incredibly rude, not because he is a racist. It would be good to have this clarified or at least explained. 81.104.5.90 16:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, there are no references to back up the claim that his material contains racism. So erring on the side of caution I have removed this word, because the article is a BLP. C 1 (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What references do you need? It's akin to questioning whether the EDL has a racist agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.178.71 (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not. What you're implying is akin to saying evidence of wrongdoing isn't required in a court of law, just a belief of wrongdoing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5A:657F:E631:740A:7BF7:46B6:F763 (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look on youtube —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.19.71 (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't that count as original research? sheridan (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo please

This article needs a photo to go along with the colourful physical description. Rees11 (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DoB

There seems to be some argument over his DoB can anybody provide a reference?ARBAY (talk) 16:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced. IMDb may not be great, nor comedycentral, but it's the best we've got. Bear in mind we are satisfied with IMDb for most Hollywood actors. --Rodhull andemu 16:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

Okay; I see that the tag has been removed. Here are my reasons for placing the tag regarding neutrality:

The lead is quite negative, not making any reference to his achievements or any positive points.
"his foul mouthed approach" Not only a colloquialism but just a negative and poor way to define his language.
"His ribald act causes offence to many, yet he still maintains a strong fan base" Ribald? Have you seen the wiktionary definition of this? The "yet" here seems to question the fan base in consideration of his behaviour.
This section is generally negative, with no sense of balance. Interestingly, "Success as a blue comedian" barely makes any references to actual success or accomplishment.

Just something I noticed when reading the article. If disputed neutrality is initself disputed, then at least try to make the wording more professional. Cheers? Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 11:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. In an article such as this, it can be difficult to tell whether the article is being criticised for being too fulsome or too negative. But now we know, we can do something about it. It'll go on my (too long) list. --Rodhull andemu 11:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was just about to read the autobiography and I'd thought I'd give the article a look. Cheers. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 12:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope there's some useful information in it. More biographical information would balance the article against a relentless recital of his comedy and offensiveness. Also the tone of the article could do with a tidy up but even on a cursory examination some of the content is difficult to source, and copyvio to boot, so I will try to deal with that. --Rodhull andemu 12:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Royston Vasey vs Roy Chubby Brown

There's a difference between the two not that you would know it from reading this article. Roy Chubby Brown is a comedy character as with Keith Lemon - played by Leigh Francis or Al Murrays pub landlord. While most of the references incorrectly use his comedy stage name - this one from the BBC [1] shows him using his real name Royston Vasey for a court appearance. A better distinction needs to be made between the two particularly for the personal life section. Fraggle81 (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Real name

The article says he was born Royston Vasey (with a link that is no longer working). Is this true? Free BMD has a Roy Vasey registered in 1945 but no Royston Vasey. Southdevonian (talk) 15:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

not much I can do by way of proving this, but I thought you'd like to know anyway: he had piano lessons from my mother, & babysat me & my sister a couple of times. he was 'roy', short for 'royston'. but I'm struggling to believe that there's no mention here or in the article of the co-opting of his name for the fictional town in 'league of gentlemen'; why's that, then?

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (non-admin closure) sami ^talk 22:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Roy 'Chubby' Brown → Roy Chubby Brown – The majority of DVD releases, etc, as well as the official website do not include quotes. See also WP:STAGENAME. --wooden superman 16:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Since, as indicated, subject's official website displays no quotes, WP:SELFIDENTITY should apply here. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, and I wouldn't think single quotes would be acceptable in any case — though the closest guidance seems to be WP:MOS#Article openings. --Closeapple (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, his own autobiography has chubby in quotes in the title, but not when listing him as an author..... Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheffield ban

He seems to have been banned from a council owned venue in Sheffield, according to GB News.

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Releases

The latest releases have been streaming / digital only. The live from the Joe Longthorne Theatre, Blackpool was a streaming release and was as far as I am aware not done with any kind of affiliation to Universal, perhaps someone could look at and update this. 2A02:C7E:449C:6A00:B805:170A:CB4A:6CD7 (talk) 22:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also Roy Chubby Brown Bootleg which was released on DVD but without as far as I am aware a major publisher such as Universal 2A02:C7E:449C:6A00:B805:170A:CB4A:6CD7 (talk) 22:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted edits by Materialscientist regarding the difference between Brown and Vasey

Brown is a character created by Vasey and there is a difference, The lead section is wrong but as it has some references thrown in that show he is Roy or Royston it has been reverted to that version. I would draw your attention to the fact this is a BLP and needs correcting. The whole article refers to him as Vasey. Please stop hiding behind huggle - saying that content was removed without explaining why, it was clearly put the first time in the edit summary that Brown is a character portrayed by Vasey then again with further explanation when reverted. Going straight to a block after 2 edits with an edit summary for "Vandalism" is seriously questionable. 2A02:C7C:7067:1500:F071:96C9:1760:99D3 (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brown or Vasey?

This article switches between referring to the subject as "Brown" and "Vasey" apparently at random. I don't know which is correct but it is confusing and off-putting, either it should use one or the other consistently or there should be a clear and obvious contextual distinction (e.g. perhaps using "Brown" when the context is him as a performer and "Vasey" at other times). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]