User:Adam Carr/Talk Archive6

Adam, thank you for finally injecting some sense into the Kim Jong-Il article. I was going to get around to it eventually, but it takes a lot of time to dig up enough details to rebut 172 and it's time I don't have right now. I owe you a beverage of your choice if we ever do a Melbourne Wikipedia meetup :) --Robert Merkel 11:01, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The latest in the Communist whitewashers has arrived - User:Richardchilton has gone through Khmer Rouge and Joseph Stalin. PMA 11:22, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Regarding Khmer Rouge, your views are welcome on the latest changes I've made. Fuzheado 01:23, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Taunts

Please don't abuse edit summaries by taunting other users. --mav 08:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam, while the Quoll picture is nice, it is from [1]. Please provide evidence that either you took that picture and the "Quoll Seekers" are using it with your permission, or that on the contrary you got their permission to use it here, or give a link to their copyright statement where they say under what conditions the picture can be used. There's no copyright notice on that website, but that doesn't mean they forfeited any copyrights. Furthermore, they credit the picture to one Brian O'Leary...

Lupo 08:43, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'll ask them for permission. Until then, I'll remove the picture from the article. Lupo 08:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I don't suppose you'd like to contibute to Joseph Stalin? PMA 01:07, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

Check out the information that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture provides regarding the Agora:

The Agora was the heart of ancient Athens, the focus of political, commercial, administrative and social activity, the religious and cultural centre, and the seat of justice.

I think it would be more appropiate to place a picture of the Agora instead of the Acropolis in the History of Athens article. I will leave that to you, it was eons ago that I was *cough* forced *cough* to read about that. Btw, regarding the "construction" of the Acropolis, that was a copy/paste from one of my very, very, very old reports. I think it was extracted from:

FLEMING, William. Art, Music and Ideas. (Tome I) 1970. ISBN 0030828651.

I really don't remember anything about that stuff, so thanks for the correction.

--Maio 01:46, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

I have some good photos of the Agora which I can give you..

Link? I just noticed that there is no Ancient Agora of Athens article, although it is mentioned in the Agora article. Btw, about thumbnails size.. it is better to have them on a relative small size. I beleive someone once mention less than 250 pixels, but IMO they should be less than 200 pixels. The problem is for users who browse in the standard skin at low screen resolutions (the left column/menu takes a lot of screen space + big thumbnails = bad juju). I usually leave them to the default resize because of that. For example, the Acropolis image at 500pixels takes so much space in an 800x600 resolution that you can barely read the introduction. Peace out, --Maio 02:13, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Adam, used the first two in the Agora article. Didn't use the third one because the article is small. They have been referenced in Talk:Agora in the case that the article is expanded in the future. --Maio 04:01, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

Adam, thanks for feedback on Darwin family tree. Agree with enhancements but don't have info to hand. I will take it on but not a massive priority. Sorting out topology of complicated family trees is not my strength. Bold is supposed to be Wikipedia entries but I've not formalised this yet.Cutler 12:19, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam, thank for tree info. It's just a question of managing all the info on one picture. I now also find that there's a branch to Ralph Vaughan Williams.Cutler 15:55, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have now done:

Image:Darwin_family_tree_v2.PNG - shows in-breeding + all offspring
Image:Darwin_family_tree_v3.PNG - shows Vaughan Williams

I have intentions to do George Howard and Francis Darwin one day but won't do another tree till then.Cutler 18:51, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam, I just changed the date style on the Papandreou article because it seems to me we ought to have these things standardized -- at least within a single article. Call me compulsive, but it's more than I can bear to see dates done in one style in one sentence and then done in another style in the next. And since most of Wikipedia is done in the American style, I figure if one style or the other is gonna go, it ought to be the less common one. Everyking 04:05, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yasou Optim:

The photos at Images of Athens cannot be seen and need to be reuploaded.

Are there any worthwhile buildings in Athens dating from Byzantine, Frankish or Ottoman times? Do you have any photos of them? Or do you have any images at all of Athens in those periods? The article History of Athens needs them.

O Karamanlis tha nikisei tis ekloges?

Adam 07:21, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Images of Athens: I need to re-create the pics from the originals, when I will have time. Most of them will be uploaded under different filenames and I will edit the articles using them accordingly.
I will keep in mind to take relevant photos.
Costas Caramanlis: I think PASOK and George Papandreou will win these elections. But surely the result will be influenced by the public opinion on this: [2]. Optim 09:01, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me credit on the user page. I stand by those sentiments and do feel better. 172 13:18, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I just had to share the love, sorry Adam! (was only formatting, the page width was too big) --Maio 03:12, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

This have nothing to do with the Athens article ;X

History_of_the_Middle_East

I decided to NPOV this article. When talking about the economic status of the region, don't lump all of the countries together. Some of the countries, particularly in Levant, have stagnant economies, while others, such as the UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar, have booming economies.

In addition, I fleshed out the whole OBL drama, which started after he helped defeat the Soviets in the 1980's. WhisperToMe 05:54, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I knew that you wouldn't have the balls to keep the picture of Joe McCarthy on your user page. You didn't have the courage to let people have true insights into your fascist character after all. If you didn't feel that my charges had a basis in reality, you'd let my "vandalisation of the page" remain on the current page in order to expose my regrettable behavior. 172 13:23, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Given the tone of your conflict with User:172, and as a neutral observer who has nothing to say about the article in question, may I suggest that you both seek mediation, rather than just slugging it out? Danny 13:38, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism? Do you have something to hide? I haven't bothered to remove the Hero of Socialist Labor award from the Dear Labor from my talk page. I guess the difference is that whereas I'm confident that your charges against me don't hold any weight, you have something to hide. If I'm wrong, restore the McCarthy pic and the quotation. 172 15:07, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please sir, I am offended by your accusations of me being a liar, I demand an apology at once! MysticalCow 21:41, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

- Furthermore, this whole article is built on the assumption that Nazis segregated their camps by nationality, which is untrue, and that Polish Jews were not Poles. It is using a racist and anti-Semitic definition of "Pole" to further the tiresome Polish nationalist agenda that we-suffered-more-under-the-Nazis-than-these-endlessly-complaining-Jews-did. The whole exercise is offensive as well as unencyclopaedic and should be deleted. Adam 08:27, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  - Nonsense. The list includes also extermination camps and makes no difference against Jewish Poles. Cautious 12:07, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)~

Adam, how you could possible post such a nonsense text? It is your own bias in the paragraph. The article is only the list, you add your own agenda. Poles are understand as Polish citizens. Bad guy, you are. Cautious 12:07, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam, I feel offended by your obsession of the Polish nationalism and Polish anti-Semitism. Ok, I removed offending terms and there is a time for you, to make changes in your full of bias posts. Cautious 15:01, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I wonder, when you found any Polish-Jewish flamed discussions? I am having edit wars with Germans, Americans, Dutch. Only tough discussions with Jews on the general topics. You are extremely obsessed. Cautious

Now I finally know what you mean. You are not very communicative, are you? You mean our previous disagreement about Armenian quote, that you put to your permanent agenda, every time you read something about Nazi attrocities against Poles? You are to fast to draw conclusions and easy to put labels. Homework for you, why know much more about holocaust of 6 000 000 Jews then 6 000 000 Poles? Don't you think that your education is little bit one-sided? Cautious 09:12, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I discovered an interesting lack of an article that I thought you might like to tackle: Muslim League, which was behind the partition of India and the founding of Pakistan. Danny 00:42, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Deal. Danny 03:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hey,

I apologize for writing the Muslim League article while yours was still in progress. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and haven't grown accustomed to the workings of the system, so I didn't know that I needed to check who might have been chosen to write an article. How will I find that out in the future?

Also, would you be offended if I were to merge some elements of my article into yours, rather than let it waste?

Adam Faanes 18:02, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam,

Yeah, I was altogether rather confused by what had happened, though it was clearly a perfect misunderstanding.

I have incorporated some elements of my Muslim League article into yours and have added a new section to the said work (The "Campaign for Pakistan" segment was growing rather lengthy.) You are entirely correct about the NPOV errors in my previous article, and I have attempted to make corrections to the three places you made reference to. I would be greatly pleased if you would review the article such that it is to your liking.

Adam Faanes 01:04, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Australian constitutional crisis of 1975 might need your expert eye. PMA 00:20, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your support over the terrorist attack in Madrid. I cannot do it at the talk page due to the frenzy there. Pfortuny 15:30, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam: Might you know where larger versions of both images you posted for this article might be found -- or at least the train one? Thanks. Garrett Albright 03:29, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam on that note, please could you also give an indication of where images where obtained from. Unmarked images are liable for deletion these days where as press images like the Madrid ones are bound to be ok-ed if fair use. THanks! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 07:43, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the images! Pfortuny 08:30, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I understand the correlation between the words "Prime Minister" and "Premier" - they are used interchangeably in many places. But it is not common within Australia, especially with the common term for state leaders being Premier also (e.g. "Peter Beattie is the most disrespected Premier in Australia"). I just assumed it would be best to use the most common term. The word "premiership" should be reserved for when the Eagles win the AFL Grand Final. ;-) How have you been, Adam? I just started Year 2 of uni- Torts and Criminal Law. Seems quite fun (compared to contract). - Mark 13:19, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Adam. As promised, I got back Lukas's book, Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles under German Occupation, 1939-1944. From a percursory glance at the list of concentration camps for Poles and a comparison with the index, plus a search through the book based on the index, none of the camps is mentioned as such in the book, either as a concentration camp, extermination camp, extermination camp for children, or anything of the sort. I am taking the liberty of quoting two paragraphs from the book here (pp. 38-39): Unlike most Jews who died in gas chambers, most Poles perished in mass or individual executions and were starved or worked to deat. However, many Poles died in the extermination camps too. The first non-German prisoners at Auschwitz were Poles, who constituted the largest number of inmates there until 1942, when the Jews became the largest group. Poles also numbered 90 percent of the inmates of Stutthof until 1942. The first killing by poison gas at Auschwitz involved 300 Poles and 700 Soviet prisoners of war. So many Poles were sent to concentration camps that virtually every Polish family had someone close to them who had been tortured or murdered there. Over 35,000 Poles passed through Dachau; approximately 33,000 Polish women were imprisoned in Ravensbruck. In Sachsenhausen, 20,000 Poles perished; in Mauthausen, 30,000; in Neuengamme, 17,000. ... As a result of almost six years of war, Poland lost 6,028,000 of its citizens or 22 percent of its total population, the highest ratio of losses to population of any country in Europe. Therefore, while I am not questioning the scope of atrocities commited in Poland, that List of concentration camps for Poles is totally beyond me. Danny 00:26, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Essentially, I think the list is totally bogus too and think it should be deleted. On the other hand, I don't want to get into an edit war over comparative suffering with the Poles, especially since I believe that they suffered immensely and that they were the first group (even before the Jews) upon whom the Nazis initiated a genocidal program (see Mike Phayer's The Catholic Church and the Holocaust--I actually discussed it with him last night at a conference). What I might suggest is that we ask them to provide sources, hopefully in English. Danny 02:40, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I will support the deletion. It is important to note that there were mass executions of Poles. For instance, from p. 161, When the Germans began the mass deportations and executions of Poles in the Zamosc area late in 1942, it appeared to the Poles that the Germans intended to exterminate the Polish people even before they had finished off the Jews. Danny 03:15, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure I actually agree fully with the edit. I think the situation for Christians in Poland was far more severe than you are making it. I have Phayer's book in front of me. In his chapter 2, he reiterates Lukas, particularly the "2,000 concentration camps that dotted the Polish countryside." He argues that there was a planned effort to exterminate the Poles, quoting, among other things Woodward (ed.), Documents on British Foreign Policy, 1919-1939, 3rd Series, 7, 258. Apparently, even the Volksdeutsch in Poland appealed to Pius XII to condemn German atrocities, particularly before 1942 (when the focus of extermination became the Jews). Danny 03:51, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I know. It is bothering me too. The texts do seem contradictory, and I have been considering what they mean by concentration camps. Sub-camps? Still too many. I am going to try to email Lukas (who seems to be Phayer's source) and ask him. Danny 04:20, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Many, if not most, people call it the Weimar Republic rather then "the German Republic" or its official name of Deutsches Reich - still whatever makes you happy. PMA 12:35, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

Adam, would you mind providing sources for the images Image:Ac.madrid.jpg and Image:Ac.madrid2.jpg? I've seen the first on the BBC web site, and so I'm concerned that they may be copyright violations. Thanks... -- Seth Ilys 19:33, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have for long considered starting an article on Germanness, and noted that you on some of the Poland-connected talk-pages with quite some certainty declared that the existence of a separate Austrian nationality also meant that Austrians were not to be considered ethnic Germans.

I do however hesitate, among other reasons also since I am rather unsure of how nationality and ethnicity (and also nation and ethnos) really are considered connected in the Anglophone world.

What is, for instance, the established view on the "Germans" in South Tyrol? Are they "ethnic Austrians" maybe?

And the Danes in Schleswig-Holstein, are they Danish nationals or are they ethnic Danes?

I'm afraid my mindset is too much coloured by French and German discourse. I hold Bavarians to be of Bavarian nationality, like Austrians are of Austrian nationality, but all of them being of German ethnicity.

--Ruhrjung 23:29, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

In English usage, Danish national implies that the individual has Danish citizenship, rather than Danish ethnicity. This is confusing, but because journalistic usage often says national to mean citizen of, it is better not to confuse the issue. FWIW, ethnic derives from the Greek ethnikós, which in fact means national (e.g., Ethnikí Trápeza Elládos, National Bank of Greece). Tkinias 05:01, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarity. Of course I wouldn't delete the image unilaterally, of course -- we have procedures for dealing with potential copyright violation, and if I was *that* concerned (which I'm note), I would adhere to those. I see Maio has now posted copyright information on the image description pages. You might want to check that to make his sources match where you got the images from. - Seth Ilys 15:27, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have given up: I guess they will take away the "terrorist" at the 11-M article. I hope you can deal with the division if you do it. Thanks again very much for your help in that article. I don't know whether you grasp the real importance it has for us. Pfortuny 17:38, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page. Good work on the refactoring, thanks. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 12:23, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

PNG is a lossless graphics compression format. The JPEG at Image:Ac.spainmap3.jpg was 700K, the PNG was 20... (you could try using more compression in the JPEG save, but PNG is ideal for this sort of diagram... does it display correctly on your browser?)

As for editing it, I thought most graphics programs supported PNG now... Evercat 12:16, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

They do - the photos i upload i always convert to PNG anyway - and its preferred for Wiki isn't it? PMA 12:32, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)

Image:Ac.spainmap3.jpg really is ideal for PNG. The problems with JPEG are (1) it is lossy, so if you compress to much you get distortion which is very visible on images with clear lines and solid blocks of color; and (2) it only supports eight bits per color, whereas PNG can use a pallette of arbitrary size, so it doesn't require as much information per pixel if the colors can be represented with less than 24 bits. Tkinias 05:05, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam -- did you ever find an answer to your question about Greek text from my user page? (I moved it to talk; I hadn't noticed it there for quite a long time...) Tkinias 04:58, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It has been suggested that you should participate in mediation regarding the naming of places in Poland, Germany, etc, involving User:Gdansk and a myriad of others. Please explain if you are willing to participate (and if so, any preferences regarding the mediator) at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Tuf-Kat 21:45, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

Censorship ?? Why did you block your opponent ??

Why did you block my IP just a minute after I disagreed with you writing on the Talk:History_of_Poland_(1939-1945): My intention was to show you that the phrases like Stalin gave something to a country are simply not in neutral language, and usually not true. - Mestwin of Gdansk 22:31, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC) ' and was just preparing to add content to the Lagoon of Szczecin article. Is it censorship, or just a personal dislike?.

Adam is not a sysop, therefore he could not have blocked you. WhisperToMe 22:54, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

My computes said something like this: This IP is blocked by user: Adam Carr; reason: same IP as user Gdansk; ... If this was not Adam, I am apoligise for accusations. Please check it someone. Mestwin

It was User:Adam Bishop who blocked you. WhisperToMe 00:44, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Not being a native speaker of English, I would like to ask you the favor to review the recent change done by anon user to WWII, where maintained neutrality was substituted with adherence to neutrality.[3] (User talk:66.81.51.245)
regards!
--Ruhrjung 10:41, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I saw the Greek Art copyvio...I'd love to help write something, I wouldn't know where to start. You can come up with something, you know more about it than me, and I'll add to it if I can. Adam Bishop 03:32, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Re: Malaysian elections, where was this image obtained from? Are the copyrights OK? Jpatokal 14:26, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Talk:History of Poland (1939-1945) - your input might be needed - the latest flare up. PMA 17:33, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

I saw Poland betrayed You should definitely read the book.

Poland, huh? And you thought the Zionism wars were rough ... Danny 04:21, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I didn't know that you were an anti-Polish bigot. Well, you don't need to like Poles to help out on Fascism. A couple of John Birch Society types are scrambling to portray Mussoloni and Hitler as social democrats, and direct heirs to the French Revolution. Dealing with them will probably bore me to death, so I'm wondering if you'll be able to handle them. At least an edit war with you becomes interesting. BTW, Cde. 172 has his own US study group dedicated to the great Songun politics of the Dear Leader. http://www.geocities.com/songunpoliticsstudygroup/ 172 10:27, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam should i protect Gough Whitlam and White Australia policy? Also sorry about the one line paragraph in Rupert Hamer - i was re-aranging a couple of things and i found it was easier for me to read spaced out - i have poor sight because of my medical problems - i should have thought before saving. PMA 00:52, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks mate - the bizzarest change by those people was changing the format of the photo from PNG to JPG when the reason it is PNG is a) it's the Wikipedia standard and b) it hasn't got a copyright/patent attached to it unlike JPG or GIF!

FYI: User:Hanpuk is busy trying to whitewash the Khmer Rouge article based on topics we have went over there and other places before. I've run out of reverts for the day. --mav 06:54, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi. As you seem to have an interest in Australian politics, I wonder if you might have a look at Joh for Canberra and see if it's accurate or if it should be modified. I don't know anything about what it describes, but it reads quite POV right now. It also doesn't do a very good job describing what exactly is meant by the article - assuming a certain knowledge that the novice reader doesn't have. I just thought this might be something you'd like to help with. If not, please ignore my message. Thanks. Moncrief 07:53, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)

Although there were some associations (like Hotel Lambert) that formed some sort of a quasi shadow-government of a state to-be during the partions, the 1939-1990 government was the only one to bear this name and work as such. Of course one can argue that the Związek Patriotów Polskich (or Association of Polish Patriots) was formed in exile as well, but it had nothing to do with a legitimate government and even after it got to Poland it was still a Soviet puppet. Therefore we could call all governments of Soviet Union a government of Poland in exile, but that would be too much.Halibutt 12:31, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dear Adam,

I have just logged on to your pages for the first time and I must say that I am very impressed with the work you have put into creating and maintaining it.

I have a particular interest in the careers of recent Australian premiers, particularly those of Victoria and South Australia. I was pleased to see you had already incorporated info about Sir Rupert Hamer's passing, as well as Paul Lennon's ascension to the Tasmanian premiership.

Your range of topics also astounds me. I will certainly spend more time browsing these pages when I have time.

Finally, do you know of any biographies of Dick Hamer? I have been searching for one, but in vain. Do you know if one has even been written? It'd be a shame if one hasn't been - Hamer would easily qualify as a worthy subject of a good biography.

Thanks again for all your work.

Regards,

David Thiele

I have replied at User talk:211.29.14.165. Please become a registered User. Adam 06:46, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I am now no longer an admin and quite frankly i'm glad i'm out of the hot seat - being a non-admin is alot less draining and stressfull on me then being an admin was. PMA 07:26, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

You read "Jordan-Israeli" incorrectly, but I guess that's because it ambiguously combines a noun and an adjective. What I intended was "Jordanian-Israeli". Also, the country was calling itself "The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" (not Transjordan) by the time of the armistice and it appears that way on the armistice document. (The name was changed officially in 1946 and appeared that way on the constitution but somehow nobody noticed and it was again changed officially in 1949.) (So there ;-) --Zero 09:34, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Don't let 172 bother you. We both know perfectly well the issue with Hanpuk/Lance/Richard/etc. is not his "ideology" but his tactics. -- V V 21:10, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

One final note before i depart Wiki - i deleted a section of Melbourne Football Club because it duplicated a section from earlier in the article - you have reverted to the old version and problem. PMA 00:51, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC) -- I'm taking an extended holiday at the very least - i'm tired of all the shit from people like User:Cautious and Mestwin plus the endless re-incarnations of LanceMurdoch/HectorRodriguez/Richardchilton/Hanpuk and 172's support of Lance and his sock puppets only makes me frustrated and bitter. I am sorry about the Lyons/Wilmot thing - i'm just used to hearing "Division of Lyons, formerly Wilmot". I always try to do the right thing mate - as you acknowledged on my talk page when i resigned as an Admin yesterday. PMA 01:14, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Prussia

"Prussia was and is southwest of Russia proper"? Firstly Prussia cannot be spoken of in the present tense since it has not existed since 1947. Secondly southwest of Russia proper is (according to my atlas) Ukraine and the Balkans. Kaliningrad is almost due west of Moscow. Adam 08:04, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, well, until the soil is drenched by the Baltic Sea I believe I'll continue to think that the soil in question remains where it has always been. You have to take into account that I try to express myself concentrated in a foreign language, very early in the morning. Petersburg, as the old capital, is by me most definitely counted to Russia-proper. If that's another usage than your, I'm sorry to have confused you. That was most certainly not my intention. I wanted to achieve an improvement and steer clear of yet another potential conflict.
--Ruhrjung 08:14, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"Well, well, until the soil is drenched by the Baltic Sea I believe I'll continue to think that the soil in question remains where it has always been." What a horrible Old Europe volkische-blood-and-soil line. Alfred Rosenberg would have been proud of it. If you take that attitude you can't complain when the Poles insist that Pomerania and Silesia remained eternally Polish, now can you?

I'm sorry to disappoint you. I guess there is something you are sensitive off that I do not perceive in the same way. The sun is shining, the spring is about to arrive, although the flora is still at the Winter Aconite stage[4]. Your reference to "Old Europe" might be understood as an homage to Rumsfeld's divide et impera-splitting of the European Union (and following mocking of EU for the results of the split in terms of continued stalemates on matters of common defence and security policy). I think I prefer to meet the sun instead of receiving your frustrations over us Europeans. Let me, however, pay my respect for the work you've done on articles concerning Polish matters. But enough is enough!
--Ruhrjung 09:15, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Just letting you know that User:Aaronhill created a page for Trish Draper. It's next on the list if you're going alphabetically, so I'll leave it for you to deal with, because he's left it a pretty short stub. Ambivalenthysteria 09:59, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Adam. Great work on the Log Cabin Republicans page. -- Friedo 08:37, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Adam

From Talk:Khmer Rouge "He is entitled to be a Communist, but he cannot be a Communist and an encyclopaedia editor."

I really hope you meant that he needs to allow articles to be NPOV, rather than that Communists should not edit this encyclopedia. I have strong political views, but try hard to make NPOV edits and have no desire to be witchunted for them. Warofdreams 16:46, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If he "allows articles to be NPOV" he cannot be a Communist (as opposed merely to a theoretical Marxist) in any serious sense. If he is a Communist in a serious sense, he (a) doesn't believe in NPOV and (b) is incapable of it. So, yes, I do believe that "Communists should not edit this encyclopaedia." Adam 00:19, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

About History of Greece: the taxobox needs a Roman Greece (Achaea (province). I figure Pelasgian Greece will be a note at the top of Mycene? I see you're at work and don't want to touch anything till you've finished! Wetman 02:15, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I agree that Hellenistic Greece is culturally continuous as Roman Achaea. But Pausanias has a lot to tell about Greece under Rome. Lots of late building and rebuilding. Sulla and the removal of Greek art. Besides, in an article on the U.S. presidents, could you leave out the presidency of William Henry Harrison because there wasn't much to say? Wetman 02:28, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

In addition to this, would it be useful to have a separate History of Byzantine Greece article, rather than redirecting to the Byzantine Empire? Greece wasn't the centre of the empire and had a lot of different things going on separate from Constantinople and Anatolia (Slavic invasions, for example, and the different Crusader states there). I could try throw something together if you want. Adam Bishop 02:36, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't comment on Greek art because I couldn't think of anything to add to it! It was already amazing, I think you covered pretty much everything. Adam Bishop 02:50, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

In a postscript to Byzantine Greece: Duchy of Athens and the Venetians? Are Crete and Cyprus historically Greece at this time? Despotate of Epirus? There were Latin bishops even. Quite an upheaval for the Greeks. (I'm working on Roman Achaea). Wetman 02:52, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I agree that Hellenic Greece is not a particularly useful article at the moment...it seems to be describing what I learned as Archaic Greece and Classical Greece. I have heard Archaic and Classical used as subgroups of Hellenic Greece though (or the Hellenic period, or Hellenic age), preceding the Hellenistic period, although that doesn't really make sense. Adam Bishop 03:31, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Adam, please see my comments on User talk:Tkinias and Talk:Byzantine Empire in re romanization of postclassical Greek. If we can, let's restrict the conversation to Talk:Byzantine Empire, unless you would like to move it to Talk:Greek language, for example. —Tkinias 10:13, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re: "until Hanpuk and his various aliases are banned from Wikipedia". As an experiened Wikipedian, do you know how this can be brought about? I have proposed banning several times, but it doesn't seem easy to mobilize the community. The evidence that he is an unrelenting troublemaker is overwhelming; indeed, he has admitted his motives and intentions on his user pages and elsewhere. Of course, I expect his ideological allies to defend him, but surely reason must triumph? Right? Well, I just don't know what steps to take beyond what I have done already, but we should act, so no more of our energy is sapped and the project goals thwarted (e.g., via protection). -- V V 04:27, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Talking of l'Humanité - I think that "alleged" pretty much describes the situation of TF1's support for right-wing politics. TF1 won't, of course, openly admit they have slanted newscasts; yet, that's what many people claim. David.Monniaux 12:29, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, you disagree with the article about the "Hellenic Holocaust". Why don^t you edit it correcting the points you disagree. I am greek but anti-nationalist. I am open to a different approach. Greek history must be linked with this period anyway. It happened. Write what you think. HERAKLES

If he is a Communist in a serious sense, he (a) doesn't believe in NPOV and (b) is incapable of it. So, yes, I do believe that "Communists should not edit this encyclopaedia."

Would you care to explain this? Given our policy of NPOV (essentially, assign points of view to their proponents), I can see no reason why a Communist would not "believe" in it, or be incapable of it. They may disagree with it, or fail to uphold it, as Hanpuk appears to, but I don't see why this applies to all Communists.

Re Administrator (of the Government) of the Commonwealth

There probably _is_ a formal title, which will be the form used in the relevant Letters Patent appointing the Administrator of the time: I do not know what form was used in Sir Guy Green's LP. The constitution refers to someone appointed to "administer the government of the Commonwealth", and this is no more misleading than talking of a "governor"-general who does not govern.

You should have noted that my original edit was to turn a non-functioning link Administrator of the Commonwealth into an almost identical functioning link Administrator of the Commonwealth. I have no problem with 'Administrator of the Commonwealth', as it is the more usual term, but you should know that the position of 'Administrator of the Government' exists at state level as well as in Canada, New Zealand, etc. Either way, the link must direct the reader to the existing Administrator of the Government article. I do not feel this is a major point, but I do take issue with your inclination to automatically reverse changes rather than to attempt to improve or incorporate them.

Similarly, the mention of Sir Ninian Stephen's place of birth (though the detail, taken from an ACM lecture online, was incorrect) could have been corrected without being excised. The references in the article to 'British' and 'Australian' Governors-General are not at all precise because there were no Australian citizens until 1948, and all Australian citizens were 'British subjects' in Australian law until 1986: some work will need to be done on this.

As for Dr Hollingworth's title, you say that I have inserted opinion. I think the idea that Hollingworth was not considered a suitable title for a Governor-General played some part in the granting of the Canterbury doctorate is more credible than the idea that Hollingworth had no title, seeing as when he retired as archbishop he became "The Right Reverend Peter Hollingworth", or "Bishop Hollingworth" for short. Bishops, like senior officers in the armed forces, retain their titles for life: once a bishop always a bishop. It is also not unbelievable that after the Hollingworth fiasco Howard went back to the safe option of a military man, whose profession was felt to be ideal for the governor-generalship.

Admittedly, on the first edit I asserted the opinion rather than refer to it. I will try in a day or two to rewrite the sentence so that it is clear it refers to an opinion held at the time. If you want to attempt it first, feel free. Andrew Yong 19:13, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think White Australia policy is better now, especially with the irrelevancy of when the word "racism" was coined gone. You and I seem to have closely related political views, and I wouldn't want the awkwardness of brief electronic communication to create misunderstandings. I think you do fine work. ~~Tilde tilde tilde tilde~~, I mean Ensiform 18:44, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

If you have evidence or any remarks to add at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Nico, please do so.Halibutt

yeah, the US is one of the only western countries to embrace the death penalty, which almost certainly has something to do with our fascination with the violence culture and our preponderance of handguns, which leads to an extreme crime problem, which in turn leads to a champing at the bit for extreme measures... me, I just see it as a competition for limited resources (time, air, water, funds), and certain people forfeit their right to compete through their barbaric acts. As we all know, every right has a corresponding duty. Anyway, for me the most troubling moral question the US criminal system has to answer for is prison rape, not lethal execution... sorry, it's late and I'm babbling. :) Ensiform 05:19, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Please don't do cut and paste moves. I'ce deleted the old Anthony Eden, 1st Earl of Avon , restored the Anthony Eden page and then moved it to Anthony Eden, 1st Earl of Avon so that the histyory of the artice is still connected with the article itself. Mintguy (T) 13:18, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In the People's Republic of China (PRC) it has been the official doctrine of the Communist Party of China since its founding.

This sentence already existed in the article before I edited it. I simply added the year of founding. --Hemanshu 16:00, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No personal attacks. --Hemanshu 16:08, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Name calling

Please don't call people idiots, it serves no purpose, and it's against Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Additionally, doing so on summaries helps no one, and they can't be taken back. Dori | Talk 16:24, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

That's just your opinion, and as I said, it doesn't help Wikipedia, which is what we're here to do. Dori | Talk 16:32, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)