This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Alp Arslan article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1

Biography: Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (assessed as Mid-importance).

Turkey Mid‑importance

	Turkey portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Turkmenistan Mid‑importance

	Turkmenistan portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkmenistan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkmenistan on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkmenistanWikipedia:WikiProject TurkmenistanTemplate:WikiProject TurkmenistanTurkmenistan articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

Central Asia Mid‑importance

	Asia portal Alp Arslan is part of WikiProject Central Asia, a project to improve all Central Asia-related articles. This includes but is not limited to Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Tibet, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Xinjiang and Central Asian portions of Iran, Pakistan and Russia, region-specific topics, and anything else related to Central Asia. If you would like to help improve this and other Central Asia-related articles, please join the project. All interested editors are welcome.Central AsiaWikipedia:WikiProject Central AsiaTemplate:WikiProject Central AsiaCentral Asia articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Middle Ages High‑importance

	Middle Ages portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

Archive 1

Comments

Alparslan is Turkish, not Arabic. Please do not edit his name against history. He was not known as Mohamed bin Dawud Chagri. He was Çağrı Bey's son. Distorting the history does not make anyone believe it. Please do not do that. ---

Historian who described the Ani conquest lived way later than Alp Arslan. Is this a joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.0.150 (talk) 23:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are righıt 78.190.249.186 (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

This page is heavily biased and full of non relevant praise of Alp Arslan and the conquest of Anatolia. I dont know much about the topic which is why I searched my way here, the praise and deification of him and his conquest makes any information in the article suspicious and not credible. It would do well with an overhaul by a scholar who doesnt think he was a saint. --83.209.20.154 (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alp Arslan is a heroic figure to the Turkish people therefore in the viewpoint of Turks he is equal in comparison to other heroes of old, indeed the article is not biased if one views it like this nor does it contain any fictional representations as indicated by listing the defeats and victories of the time in which Alp Arslan served as the leader of the Seljuk people. AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 11:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are heaps of praise on sultan Arslan regarding his extraordinarly gracious treatment of emperor Romanos IV as his prisoner. Right next to a painting depicting him putting his foot on Romanos's neck in ritual humiliation. I mentioned this in the article.

I also added a sourced statement refuting the cited claim that the Byzantines rode off without a fight in the decisive battle of Manzikert. 93.131.149.171 (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TTK, TDV ISLAMIC ENCYCLOPEDIA TURKEY MEB resources and historians interested in Seljuk History have güven the name Alparslan as a compound name in their articles, and the name Alparslan iş also a compound name,

"Sample Biblioggraphy"

"https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/Alparslan"

The name Alparslan is not a nickname. The name is not used separately bu old and current Muslims of the age, the child named Muhammed is also given another name; as an example from History; Like Sultan Muhammed Alparslan and Sultan Muhammed Tapar (Great Seljuk Empire), Sultan Alaeddin Muhammed (Khwarezmshah Empire) and Alparslan Türkeş, one of the most known in history.

İslamic Encyclopedia:

Alp Arslan (Nickname)➡️✖️✖️✖️

Muhammed ibn Davud Chagri➡️✖️✖️✖️

Muhammed Alparslan➡️✅✅✅

Please Update Wikipedia.org.en/Alparslan Kartal1071 (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are right 78.190.249.186 (talk) 17:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jtonnessen208.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 13:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Alp-arslan.jpg Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Alp-arslan.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests August 2011

What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Expansion and Clarity

I've taken the liberty of consolidating sections and adding content that deals with the earlier portion of Alp Arslan's life. If any of these were done in error, please feel free to revert my changes. Jtonnessen208 (talk) 20:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

=arabized or Persianized name

his full name is fully arabized (Diya ad-Dunya wa ad-Din Adud ad-Dawlah Abu Shuja Muhammad Alp Arslan ibn Dawud) Nizam-al-Mulk2020 (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

There is only Persian reading in the article. I do not understand why ? As is known, these are Turkic leaders. Why Persian spelling alone is placed on the head of the article? What is the reason of this ? I removed the persian spelling from the head of the article because it was irrelevant.

It is not an objective point of view to place the article only persian spelling. These people are not of Persian origin, or persian speaking. This is so misleading. There is no use for readers. It is not an impartial point of view.--78.165.85.180 (talk) 16:57, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

answered you in Talk:Tughril. -- Mazandar (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

Alparslan posta pulu.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 13:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Manzikert.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gunduz bay

Boy 103.159.126.130 (talk) 06:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

Alp arslan sultan.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kartal1071 (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change the Title

Kartal1071 (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth

TDV IA mentions a lot information about his birth date. Someone wants to compile this? It's a bit mess. Beshogur (talk) 14:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur: Added. But having an issue in this too. TDV İÂ version translation available to me is;

...Date of birth between XII and XIII. Century historians give it as 424 (1032-33), while later sources give it as 421 (1030). However, İbnü'l-Esîr, who is considered the most reliable of the medieval Islamic historians, recorded the year 424 like other historians of his period, and also recorded the event of the good news coming to Çağrı Bey that he had a son, before the start of the Seljuk-Karakhanid war, which is known to have taken place in Muharram 420, and recorded his real date of birth as 1 Muharram. It is given as 420 (January 20, 1029). The fact that Alparslan commanded the forces that repelled the attacks of the Ghaznavids in 435 (1043-44) also supports this date. Because if the year of birth is accepted as 424, Alparslan should have been appointed as the army commander when he was a child of ten or eleven years old who had not yet reached puberty, which is not logical.

As it mentions "Ibn al-Athir...recorded the year 424 (AH)...." Later, went on with "...which is known to have taken place in Muharram 420, and recorded his real date of birth as 1 Muharram."(seems to me 1st of Muharram 420 AH which actually equals 20th of January 1029 CE) "It is given as 420 (January 20, 1029)...".Making confusion (for me) for 424 or 420 AH given by Ibn al-Athir. As the full Gregorian calendar date is mentioned with 420 as "420 (January 20, 1029)." I've added citation to this already present Greogorian date in infobox and so, added 1 Muharram 420 AH. Thank you. IAmAtHome (talk) 18:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Looks alright. Beshogur (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur:only... when feel free, look at Talk:Sheikh Edebali. Also clear to me, if my ping worked or not with yes or no? IAmAtHome (talk) 12:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Author isn't even historian. Even is he was, I haven't heard such claim. Beshogur (talk) 13:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

source removal

4132 just because u personally dont like the sources and what they say doesnt mean u can just remove it. come to the talk page first H20346 (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]