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please give a definition of an 'I, Thou' moment

Also please give a publication date for the book

Good point! I believe Buber wrote/published I and Thou in 1923 and it was first translated into English in 1937. I will update the article soon, unless someone beats me to it. Keesiewonder 03:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

www.ithou.org

I fail to see a meaningful connection between Martin Buber's text I and Thou and the website [1] provided at the end of the article. Can someone enlighten me? I'll wait a bit and then delete it ... Keesiewonder 03:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia?

Is this mroe than trivia? RJFJR (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally, Buber's I and Thou (Ich und Du) was published in the same year as Sigmund Freud's The Ego and the Id (Das Ich und das Es lit. "The I and the It").

No it's not trivia, vacuous perhaps and certainly covered much better by others (one of whom you refer to), but Buber is an icon of the religious minded, and this is the main work for which he's known. Agree there should be some kind of context relative to Freud, Hegel, Sartre, etc. 76.180.168.166 (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is it they (?) say? "The systematic abuse of terminology specially invented for that purpose." E Eng 06:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Issues

The Multiple Issues flag has been on since 2008 for citations needed. I think citations to the text would resolve the "personal essay" tag added in 2010, as it does seem to be a reasonable summary of what Buber said in the book. I've done some copy editing to make it read less like a somewhat too literal translation from German. Bn (talk) 00:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Some sources I found to support notability and to expand the article: ^[1]^[2]^[3] — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)}_{(click me!)} 18:50, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Wood, Robert E. (1969). Martin Buber's Ontology: An Analysis of I and Thou. Northwestern University Press. ISBN 978-0-8101-0650-5.
^ An Analytical Interpretation of Martin Buber's I and Thou. Barron's Educational Series, Incorporated. 1975. ISBN 978-0-8120-0505-9.
^ Horwitz, Rivka; Buber, Martin (1978). Buber's Way to I and Thou: An Historical Analysis and the First Publication of Martin Buber's Lectures Religion Als Gegenwart (in German). Schneider.

Adding a New Section: Contributions to Psychology/Lasting Impacts?

Feel free to help me brainstorm a better title for a possible new section. I felt this article was missing a very important piece -- the lasting impact that Buber's ideas of I and Thou have left upon culture and thinking. For example, Carl Rogers and his theories, as well as Martin Luther King Jr. citing I and Though in his letter from Birmingham Jail. I am open to input from this community, and either way will begin drafting a possible section. Pheonix.ember (talk) 02:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any more examples of the effects I and Thou has had on our modern day? I'd be interested to see if there are any more specific examples. Another suggestion I might add to improve the section is adding separate headers for the ways different people have used I and Thou in their work.Annergregor (talk) 19:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I-thou relationships

>> the word pair "I–Thou" can refer to a relationship with a tree, the sky, or the park bench itself >> as much as it can refer to the relationship between two individuals.

I-thou relationships can also relate to non-material "objects" like one's future. Would be great to add this some time. Thx Ron Woepwoep (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that further clarification would be useful. In Hochdeutsch the word "du" is the familiar second person singular used for a superior addressing someone who is of lower status or rank. It is also used by older people for younger people, such as parents addressing children. So the translation always found in English makes the word "Thou" into the second person singular as used by some who rely on the King James translation of the Bible (KJV) for the familiar way of addressing "YHWH" (like haShem, Adonai, etc.). (My native languages are Frisian and Dutch and I am very familiar with the ways in which we use the "je" or "jij" in those languages.) A native speaker of Hochdeutsch could perhaps write a short summary. There is already a very good discussion of "Thou" on Wikipedia. Buber was arguing in favor of seeing "God" in everything and I have not found anything (yet) that would indicate a possible influence of Baruch "Benedict" Spinoza's pan-en-theism on Buber's theological argument. 71.184.72.54 (talk) 17:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Wood, Robert E. (1969). Martin Buber's Ontology: An Analysis of I and Thou. Northwestern University Press. ISBN 978-0-8101-0650-5.

[2] An Analytical Interpretation of Martin Buber's I and Thou. Barron's Educational Series, Incorporated. 1975. ISBN 978-0-8120-0505-9.

[3] Horwitz, Rivka; Buber, Martin (1978). Buber's Way to I and Thou: An Historical Analysis and the First Publication of Martin Buber's Lectures Religion Als Gegenwart (in German). Schneider.

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