Talk:Cain

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I notice that someone's addition of material purported as being an Islamic version of the Cain/Abel story has been reverted twice. The first time the material did seem out of place, but then the poster adapted the material to differentiate the Islamic material, which makes sense. It still has some POV issues (like the "peace be upon him"), and needs copyediting, but if it's accurate material (i.e., accurately represents an/the Islamic version of the story), it should definitely be included. But I have almost no background with Islam; can someone who does eyeball it for me? Text included below. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 01:48, May 9, 2004 (UTC)

Cain in Islam

- Adam(peace be upon him) and Eve's first two children were Cain and his twin sister, and then they had Abel and his twin sister. Later the time came for Abel and Cain to marry. Allah (God in Arabic) revealed to Adam that he should marry each son to the twin sister of the other. Adam instructed his children according to Allah's command, but Cain was displeased with the partner chosen for him because the sister Abel was to marry was more beautiful. wanted peace and harmony in his family, so he invoked Allah for help. Allah commanded that each son offer a sacrifice, and he whose offering was accepted would have right on his side. Abel offered his best camel, while Cain offered his worst grain. Abel's sacrifice was accepted and Cain's sacrifice wasn't. This enraged Cain even further. Realizing that his hopes of marrying the beautiful sister were fading, he threatened his brother: "I will kill you! I refuse to see you happy while I remain unhappy!" Abel, feeling sorry for his brother, replied: "It would be more proper for you, my brother, to search for the cause of your unhappiness and then walk in the way of peace. Allah accepts deeds only from those who serve and fear Him, not from those who reject His commands." Abel was intelligent, obedient, and always ready to obey the will of Allah. Cain then took a rock and threw it at his brother. Abel was now dead and Cain panicked, Cain did not know what to do with his brother's corpse. He carried it on his back wandering from place to place, trying to hide it. As a mercy, and to show that dignity could be retained even in death, Allah sent two ravens that began fighting, causing the death of one. The victorious bird used its beak and claws to dig a hole in the ground, rolled its victim into it and covered it with sand.

Not to bring any problems in, but I have a now deceased grandmother who was very catholic, and it was her opinion that the mark of Cain was in fact black skin: Cain was made negroid by God as punishment.

Personally, I think it's B.S., but I mention it as it wasn't mentioned before. 206.156.242.36 19:32, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

More Mormon than Catholic, generally speaking. --Then, there is in the article the following equally ignorant "popular" mythology: In popular mythology, although it is unspecified in the Bible, Cain's mark is red hair. Where is this a "popular" mythology? Does Wikipedia intend to mention every bit of ignorant nonsense? That's an awful lot to cover... --Wetman 23:43, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The racist just-so story of which you're thinking is the Curse of Ham. -- murielwasser

Both Cain and Ham have been associated with this particular "curse." Mormonism in particular connects the two by asserting that Ham's wife was a descendant of Cain, thus passing on the "curse" to Ham's descendants.

Cain's name in the Arabic Bible is Qayeen (قايين) and in Islam his name is Qabeel (قابيل) so I believe both names should be mentioned, not only the Islamic name...

Mamduh 21:34, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cain in Anime

I removed this. It has nothing at all to do with the educational or informative nature of this article, and appears to be a minor bit of trivia about Anime, not about Cain.

L.A.F.

Cain and Vampires

There is an (apparently modern?) interpretation of the Mark of Cain as being vampirism. This holds that Cain was the first vampire and connects to the belife that he was cursed with immortality. However, I am reluctant to include it in the main article without further reasearch as the only place I've come across it is in White Wolf's Vampire roleplaying game. It may have been invented whole cloth by WW's writers or may have another origin. Even if it's just a WW invention, it should be mentioned somehow. Perhaps in a Cain in Fiction section if invented by WW or in the section on the mark if otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.87.204.36 (talk • contribs) 01:32, October 14, 2005‎

Cain and Karl Edward Wagner’s Anti-Hero “Kane”

While not directly biblical, Kane has twisted parallels to the biblical Cain and is no doubt derived from him. Created by the”Mad God”, killed his priest brother Abel, marked and sent to wander eternally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.104.111.7 (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Family Tree

Should the wives and sisters of Cain and Seth, Awan & Azura be added to the family tree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.152.152 (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Lastborn son"

"He is the elder brother of Abel, and the lastborn son of Adam and Eve, the first couple within the Bible"

...He can't be the elder brother and the lastborn. It should be first born. 108.51.197.186 (talk) 18:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should Cain and Abel be merged into Cain and Abel?

Your view is welcome at Talk:Cain_and_Abel#Should_Cain_and_Abel_be_merged_into_this_article?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]