Talk:Mah Nà Mah Nà

Other early versions

The song of Celal Sahin "Alo Alo" is from 1964, which doesn't quite fit the timeline. Moreover, the composer is credited as "Composer: H. Salvadore" (probably refering to Henri Salvador) with lyrics by Celal Sahin. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMceAilMcxU&ab_channel=Celal%C5%9Eahin-Topic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.60.206.163 (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

First discussion

The video capture is most probably with Swedish subtitles (second guesses are Danish, Norwegian and Finnish, but definitely not German).

Does the video capture really have subtitles? =S Since it's just meaningless, sounds, I don't think there would be a need for subtitles.

There is some dialog from Kermit and Statler & Waldorf at the end of the sketch.

Finnish is completely unlike any of Swedish, Danish, Norwegian or even German. In fact, German is much more like Swedish, Danish or Norwegian than Finnish is. Just because Finland and Sweden are neighbouring countries and share centuries of common history doesn't mean their languages are similar. Finnish is not even an Indo-European language! Unfortunately, the link in the article is broken, so I can't view the video myself to identify the language. — JIP | Talk 07:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Here's a video of it "Fragan ar"="The question is"; "Till er"="It's for you". Those are some bits from it. Can you tell what language it is? --Max 09:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

It is swedish. (Jk80 23:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC))

Yes definitely Swedish. One way of knowing it's Swedish is that they use the letters ä and ö. If it was Danish or Norweigan they'd use æ and ø instead. (So if they would have used æ and ø it would have to have been another language, for example Danish or Norweigan.) Å is used in all three languages. /Jiiimbooh 23:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course Finnish has Ä, Ö and Å, too... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.164.46 (talk • contribs) 23:47, May 27, 2008 (UTC)

Except for Å, of course. —Tamfang (talk) 19:27, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Anyone know which episode of The Muppet Show it was on? JP Godfrey 17:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

The very first episode in the first season.

Where is this Cake cover? Was it ever released? Nick Douglas 16:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• The Cake cover is on their children's album For the Kids. It's widely available. --LostLeviathan 00:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

best ever?

"The alt.tv.muppets FAQ considers "Mahna Mahna" to be the best Muppet sketch ever." All right, maybe this is a silly question, but how does the FAQ have an opinion? It's a list of questions and answers. Doesn't the author(s) of the FAQ actually form the opinion? -FZ 21:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I reworded that bit and added a link to the FAQ. Jon the Geek 16:43, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Dr Pepper

Should there be some mention of Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper's TV ad "Date" [1], where the Muppet's song is used? DevastatorIIC July 3, 2005 05:13 (UTC)

Um. It's already included. Feel free to add more detail to that bullet, though. Jon the Geek July 4, 2005 04:00 (UTC)

Cultural References

This section is getting cluttered up...WP:NOT. I'm trimming it down a bit. --Stlemur 13:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Does this "guy" have a name?

That hairy "Mah na mah na" character had a sort of "come-back" in 2002! I've seen him in "Bert & Ernie's Word Play" and I wonder whether he really has a name. Does anyone know that? -andy 80.129.103.60 00:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

IMDB lists 'Mahna Mahna' as one of the characters Jim Henson played. (Jk80 23:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC))

• originally the character had no name, but he was later called 'Mahna Mahna'. However, as the character evolved on Sesame Street it was given the name Bip Bipadotta. 71.111.63.224 08:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Alternate spellings

While the title of the song is often misspelled and spelled differently, I think the current presentation is the wrong way to go about it... Alternate titles it's been released under should be mentioned in the introduction, and misspellings shouldn't be mentioned at all; all variant spellings should get redirects to this page, which should be titled with the original title. --Stlemur 10:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

●The names of the song are mentioned in the introductory paragraph and the following, chronological paragraphs. Each version is listed, hopefully in time-order, with the official name it was released under. That doesn't feel wrong. Grouping all/both official names up-front might be more confusing, because both of the names do not apply equally to both variations.

●I don't think anyone would want to group ALL of the spellings and misspellings up-front. It would be completely boggling -- it would look like this: "Mah Nà Mah Nà", a.k.a. "Mahna Mahna", often guessed as "Ma Na Ma Na", "Mana Mana", "Manamana", "Mah Na Mah Na", "Mahna Mahna", "Mahnamahna", "Ma Nah Ma Nah", "Manah Manah", "Manahmanah", "Man na man na", "Manna manna", "Mannamanna", "M na m na", "Mna Mna", "MnaMna", "Manamanah", "Manahmana", "Mnah Mnah", "MnahMnah", "Munnah Munnah", "Mah-Na-Mah-Na", "Mah-Na Mah-Na", "Mnah-Mnah", ... . It's Mahna-Mahniacal.

●Maybe my bolding is wrong. I bolded the first mention of the original name and the first mention of the one direct variation. (Is that the right way?) I did not bold the distinct names of derivative works ("Mais Non, Mais Non").

●The only exception to time-order is the TITLE of the article, which is a de-accented version of the original. Maybe the article need to be moved (see below).

●Most alternate/errant spellings already had redirects, or now have them. (The top five anyway). I didn't want to glut with redirects for every variation. The less-common spellings can find this page via the Search function, because of the presence of the misspellings! on the searchable content this page.

●The misspellings ARE significant because of the sheer number of people using them (on the www )to comment on the song or express interest in it. In usage, the misspellings far outnumber the correct spellings. The original version ("Mah Nà Mah Nà" and "Mah Na Mah Na", counted together by Google) only gets 60,800 mentions. The Muppets' slightly-contracted version, "Mahna Mahna", gets 160,000 mentions, 2.5x as many. Even the spurious further contraction to "Mahnamahna", presumably inspired by the run-together pronounciation, gets 69,000 mentions, already 13% more than the original. Guessers drop the unnecessary silent "H". "Ma Na Ma Na", "Mana Mana", and "Manamana" together get 1,262,100 mentions, TWENTY TIMES as many as the original spellings.

●Having all of the common misspellings together is somewhat significant as it is informative about the song. The aggregate numbers (not totaled on the page) are significant. For example, a Google search on "Lucy in the Sky", another song which attracts a lot of commentary and some more serious controversy as well, returns only 1,890,000 references.

Whiner01 18:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Time to move?

●The article title was apparently supposed to be the title that the song debuted under, in order to respect the author's creation AND to make the first entry in the chronology match up with the title. I was surprised to discover that the original published title was not "Mah Na Mah Na" but "Mah Nà Mah Nà". As long as the article is titled "Mah Na Mah Na", the introductory paragraph contradicts by introducing "Mah Nà Mah Nà" as the name. Anyone seeing this disparity should be wondering whether the article should be moved to "Mah Nà Mah Nà" (which is currently a redirect page). Whiner01 18:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Done deal. Stlemur moved the page. I jumped on the 20 redirect pages, as they all had become double redirects. (Double-redirects are advisable to fix, so i'll sign my 'name' to it.) Whiner01 06:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

"How Do You Do?"

Think about "Mah Nà Mah Nà" makes me recall another song that has some similarities: "How Do You Do?" by Mouth and MacNeal. It similarly uses alternating male and female vocals (but they use similar melodies and have alternating instrumental accompaniment styles). "How Do You Do?" has a lot of real words, but it incorporates some nonsense words, which also happen to be similar: "nananana"... or "nana nana" or "na na na na". (A similar spelling problem too.) "How Do You Do?" doesn't include improvisational interpolations like "Mah Nà Mah Nà". Just wondering if they are linked by inspiration or just their coincidental similarities. Whiner01 19:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

External links and copyright

The page currently has a link to an of MP3 of the Muppets version of the song. The site it is contained on is not an official Muppets site, and the song should still be under copyright. This link must be removed unless someone can ascertain that the copyright holder has either given permission for the song to be used in that way or released it into the public domain. --LostLeviathan 00:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Not about the mp3 but continuing on about copyright and external links, so I changed the heading... The "original sauna scene" link was no longer valid, so I removed it. For the other two, the video with Swedish subtitles and also the Flurl link of Svezia, inferno e paradiso, I've left those in... either they're both in or both out, imho. (If someone thinks they should both be out for copyright infringement, go for it.) I don't know why Wikipedia won't let me login right now, btw. Very frustrating. --72.65.46.29 (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Manama

It's simply not a relevant link for the article. We can't link to everything that sounds vaguely like "Mah Nà Mah Nà". --Stlemur 20:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

In an article entirely devoted to nonsensical lyrics in various spellings, "we" can link to a real town, and be it only to demonstrate that the song is not about the existing place. --Matthead 00:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

But the various spellings are all ones used in the topic of the article. The song lyrics are also not Panama, Ghana, banana, Fatima, or Orange Shasta--no reason to link to what something isn't. Do people actually think the song is about Bahrain, or are we straying into the realm of straw men and FUD? DMacks 00:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The song & women (ahem) engaged in love

Okay, I've looked at the material under the "External links", & am convinced that the claim this song first appeared in a soft-core porn film can be verified, yet I'm still unconvinced that this was played under a lesbian BDSM scene. I have three reasons for this:

1. This sounds too much like urban folklore;
2. No one appears to have actually viewed this movie in the last 30 years, & the film is currently unobtainable in any form (although numerous copies of the soundtrack exist); &
3. This is not music I would normally associate with whips & chains, leather & corsets, stilleto heels & all of the other things to be found in Category:BDSM.

This last point is the one that makes me the most skeptical. Imagine that you are watching a movie of this genre, & one woman sternly pronounces to the other, "You have been a bad slave. You must be punished!" And the next thing we hear is:

Mahna mahna, doo dee badoobah, mahna mahna, doo deebee doo ...

wouldn't your immediate response be to laugh? Or am I the only one for whom this juxtiposition of music with action ruins something best described by Coleridge's phrase, the "willing suspension of disbelief"? Until we can find a source that says the tune was used precisely in this way in the film (or that a specific person who claims to have seen this film says it was used this way), I think it would be best to omit this detail. -- llywrch 03:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The original video is out on youtube.com. There everyone can see for themselves that there is in fact no lesbian BDSM scene, but quite a harmless sauna scene. I tried to edit the page to reflect this(11:55, 17 October 2006 129.240.176.192 (Talk)), but it was removed for some reason? here is the link to the original clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlgKI8QPTCg -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.121.118 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 21 October 2006

I don't know why the other editor reverted your changes, but I made a copy edit to improve the fluency. The passage might benefit from still some more work. -- llywrch 23:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The original clip, as many probably have noticed, was removed from youtube, but it has found a permanent home here: http://www.flurl.com/item/Manahmanah_u_237794 It would be good to include a link to it on the main page! Manjet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.19.101 (talk) 09:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No longer available directly at that link either as of June 2021. The page is available at the Wayback Machine, but requires Flash Player so the video is no longer viewable there in modern browsers (even assuming the video data is also still there). General Ization ^Talk 17:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

no lullaby of birdland in the original

It says in the article that "lullaby of Birdland" is one of the songs that are quoted in Mah Na Mah Na. While this is true for the muppets version, it does not occur in the original. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.240.176.233 (talk • contribs) .

The same thing goes for Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy, or at least I cannot find a trace of it. The original version interpolates exactly three tunes. The first two are "Midsommarvaka" and "Santa Lucia", but I am not sure as to what the third one is. It doesn't sound as either of the two mentioned songs. And there are no "others". --Jonas

The original recording has four "verses" each ending with a quote from a different song. An instrumental outro follows. The hit single was edited from this, using only the first three verses and then repeats them and ends with a fade out, which gave the song a longer running time. The fourth quote is therefore not heard in the hit single, but is the Army bugle call " Assembly". 04:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

citation needed

What does the tag refer to? The #1 in the UK charts or the increased popularity of the Umiliani-version?

Notability of references in other media

On Jan. 24 Stlemur deleted a number of references to other media on the grounds they were not notable. Wikipedia notability guidelines specifically state they refer to the existence of entire articles, not to the content of articles. As such, I am restoring the previously deleted information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PianOmega47 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

You are technically correct, the concept defined by WP:N only deals with the appropriateness of topics. However, the signifigance of references is explicitly covered by WP:HTRIV. -Verdatum (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see many redirects here

I'm happy to see there are a lot of redirects here with different titles phonetically - it won't do any harm and it will be VERY helpful to even one person who can't find the exact title! Well done :) Drum guy (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

BN biscuits

BN biscuits did an advertising campaign here in Britain (and possibly elsewhere) using the song with the lyrics changed to 'BN, BN' 'Doo doooo do dodo'... etc. For my generation, this is actually the original and often only source of familiarity with the song (speaking anecdotally, almost everyone I know remembers the ads). Wondered if it warranted a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.131.155 (talk) 11:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Abbottabad

some people have noted this town's name fits the song structure. If it becomes a notable internet meme, we should reference it.75.61.142.201 (talk) 01:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Spurious link to "Habiru word"

The article makes a rather dubious statement: "However, the hook, or chorus, could be interpreted as the Habiru word "Manna", meaning "What is it?"" Can the author demonstrate that the songwriter intended the Ma Na Ma Na to be interpreted as a Habiru word? If not, get rid of this ridiculous statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.119.85 (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Seems that someone was trying to connect it with the Biblical "manna from heaven". It's "original research" without a source... AnonMoos (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Use in The Benny Hill Show

The article says "Aside from its notoriety as the primary silent comedy sketch scene music for The Benny Hill Show...". I've added a citation needed because I don't believe the assertion to be true. The music referred to in that context was actually Yakety Sax. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 23:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

No, Yakety Sax was used for the End credit chases. From 1971 onwards, the silent sketches during the show used a medley of tunes, including Ma-Na-Ma-Na, Do Be Do Be Do, Fur Elsie, and Gimmie-Dat Ding.

See here from December 1973, go to 6:21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:5A00:7006:A300:4510:829C:5794:B3BF (talk) 11:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed sentence about French musical

I deleted the unsourced (and misplaced) sentence "It was originally taken from the French musical, 'Me Noi Me Noi' (not me not me)." I don't know whether it was vandalism or speculation. Is "noi" even a French word? Even "ne moi" doesn't seem like it's correct. KCinDC (talk) 03:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

The same user returned to place the same spurious information in again this year. I'd count it as something weaker than vandalism. "Me noi me noi" is not French, and this "musical" doesn't exist. I'm removing the sentence again. Rcharman (talk) 00:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I see that the sentence "The origins of the song go back to the French broadway musical 'Me Noi, Me Noi' (not me, not me)" has returned. Can the user who re-added it provide a citation? I tried but couldn't find one. Perhaps the user would agree the sentence can be removed for now and re-introduced if and when a suitable source is found. Bee goode (talk) 21:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bee goode, Rcharman, and KCinDC: The content has repeatedly been introduced by Wllmlos without references. Since at least 2013, they have added it no fewer than four times.[2][3][4][5]. At this point, I would consider the content original research, which violates Wikipedia policy, and per WP:ONUS, when unsourced content is challenged and removed, the burden is on the person resubmitting it to find adequate sources to support the content, should they resubmit it. If the content is resubmitted without a reference, I would absolutely consider that disruptive. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:08, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

The Office

This song was also used in an episode of the UK version of the Office where david Brent and various other characters spontaneously sang it before the opening credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.39.215.34 (talk) 15:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

soul song?

In a supermarket just now, I heard a soul song (~Seventies) playing and noticed that one could sing "Mahna Mahna" along with it. Listening a bit more closely, I heard the "du du" part! Knowing nothing of the history of "Mah Nà Mah Nà" I came here to see if maybe it was a parody of a soul song; the timing is about right. (I was going to add it to my list of works that came to my attention long after I was familiar with a parody.) Didn't spot anything in the article that fits. Does someone know what song I mean? The refrain's last line is something like "All I need is all your love." —Tamfang (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Whitewash article?

This article is a complete fabrication. The original song for the muppet show version came from a song simply called "phenomenon." it was overtly homosexual in nature and contained deniable homoerotic pederast innuendo. Dates from late 70's to early 80's. This article is a clear whitewash and everything about it should be under suspicion. I cant find a current citation to match my claim; suggesting a large scale homosexual supremecist involment. It is a thing they'd care to hide from history after the link between heroin trade and pederasts was found in Afghanistan. Pederasts are an ancient cult of slavers who use homosexual rape of boys as part of their plebian slave model. I couldnt find a talk page on these wiki site controls so i added my point to the end of this fictitious article. Side note, even in the muppets version the two pink horned devils are ment to represent transexuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4451:36a:3d00:68a2:adea:f757:c5a5 (talk) 06:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Since you can't find any reliable sources to support your claim, and there are reliable sources that support the existing content, there are only two likely explanations: a) the song and this article are products of a grand conspiracy on the part of a vast network of pederast homosexual supremacist heroin dealers over the last 50 years, or b) there is no evidence to support your claim and it is very likely false. While you may choose to believe (a), our policies concerning verifiability and fringe theories here at Wikipedia mean that we must assume (b), and the article will remain as it is. General Ization ^Talk 17:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

You scoff, but have you ever played the song backward in a secret tunnel between a daycare facility and a pizzeria? —Tamfang (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually have. All I heard was "Án Ham Án Ham". General Ization ^Talk 01:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@2001:4451:36A:3D00:68A2:ADEA:F757:C5A5 And then to you'd need to explain this 1968 Italian skit on YouTube. alas URL is blocked but this YouTube I'd will get you there:

KoheVioD3Bg 116.240.143.143 (talk) 09:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Loin de chez nous

This 2016 French TV series features the song "Mah Nà Mah Nà." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.3.27.247 (talk) 07:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)