Talk:Swedish Social Democratic Party

Lost its place as leading party?

The article says:

When this did not work any longer in the early 90's, the party was blamed for irresponsibility and between 1991-1994 lost its place as leading party of Sweden.

But Elections_in_Sweden states that the party had 37.6% of the votes in 1991 voted Social Democrats, whereas the second party, the Moderate Party, had only 21.9%. What is meant by 'lost its place as leading party'? I replaced leading by governing. If this is incorrect, please explain what is. Gerrit ^CUTEDH 11:17, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good point. In 1991, four right/center parties formed a coalition government with a total of 46.6 % of votes, with Carl Bildt , from Moderaterna , as prime mininster. So the social democrats lost their place as governing party of Sweden. So you are correct in the change. --Fred-Chess 12:55, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No mention of immigration position?

Immigration is one of the most important issues in Europe, yet this page makes no mention of the word. 140.251.127.34 (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not one of the main focal policy points of S/SAP, but if you want to add something and you have good sources, you're more than welcome to add it. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 15:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Social democracy, democratic socialism, both?

The party clearly states in its statutes that the ideology is social democracy and democratic socialism, this is meant to represent the party at large as it has clearly a mixture in the membership and policies between identifying as social democrats and/or democratic socialist, which is represented by an internal left and right faction. Thereby it is fair to mention both ideologies as it reflects the party at large, in this case both ideologies should be added.

On a technical note, there has been previous edits years ago regarding the ideologies. Personally I added democratic socialism to the article on 29 January 2023‎, way before it was removed on 9 June 2024. Therefore, I will revert it back and then we can have a discussion. Since ZlatanSweden10 was the one beginning to remove, I would like to hear why it's being removed and what you may have to propose for us to reach a consensus on this article. I'm not here for an edit war, I'm here for the truth.

Best regards, TheSwedishEditor — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSwedishEditor (talk • contribs) 09:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a WP:PRIMARY issue. There is a problem with using only the party's own description, especially since I haven't been able to find any independent reliable sources that say that democratic socialism is their ideology. I have no objection to including it if you can find independent WP:RS that support it. Sjö (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Its very simple. Its a primary source. Other social democratic parties have democratic socialism in their mainfesto/consitution/programme but they don't have it mentioned in their infoboxes. The Social Democrats (Denmark) had this discussion about adding democratic socialism in its infobox and was swiftly removed in both 30 April 2022 and 2 and 8 June 2024 with both edits being reverted stating that "Avoid primary sources" and "Sources linked must be independent."

I also went for the middleground approach which you rejected by what other social democratic parties have done. Here is a list of them I found and have used in other talk pages/discussions. Here is the one I used in a recent Labour Party (UK) discussion about removing democratic socialism in its infobox (which has now been removed since winning the election and Jeremy Corbyn being expelled):

There's a simple fix which other pages have done and I'm curious as to why it hasn't been done here as well (+ for the Swedish Social Democratic Party too).

New Zealand Labour Party:

"The party's platform programme describes its founding principle as democratic socialism, while observers describe Labour as social-democratic."

Labour Party (Malta):

"Ideologically, the party was orientated towards democratic socialism and other left-wing stances until the early 1990s, when it followed the lead of like-minded Western social-democratic parties like Britain's New Labour. The party still claims to be democratic-socialist in their party programme. Under the rule of Joseph Muscat, the party shifted to a more centrist position, adopting Third Way policies."

Israeli Labor Party:

"While originally a democratic socialist party, Labor has evolved into a programme that supports a mixed economy with strong social welfare programmes."

Labour Party (Ireland):

"...it describes itself as a "democratic socialist party" in its constitution."

Australian Labor Party:

"The Whitlam Labor government, marking a break with Labor's socialist tradition, pursued social-democratic policies rather than democratic socialist policies." and "Labor's constitution has long stated: "The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields" ... Labor governments have not attempted the "democratic socialisation" of any industry since the 1940s, when the Chifley government failed to nationalise the private banks, and in fact have privatised several industries such as aviation and banking."

Social Democratic Party of Germany:

"The party platform of the SPD espouses the goal of democratic socialism, which it envisions as a societal arrangement in which freedom and social justice are paramount. According to the party platform, political freedom, justice and social solidarity form the basis of social democracy."

All of these parties listed don't have democratic socialism in their infoboxes. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)