Talk:Dimitri Mitropoulos

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Early comments

There is already a page at Dmitri Mitropoulos that is more detailed. If it should be spelled differently in your opinion there is the option (possibly only available to admins?) to use the move feature. Please consider, as this does not work. Thanks. Schissel‐bowl listen 22:48, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Correction: There was, I see. It now _was_, and has been replaced with a redirect, but its material was not also moved here. Still not good. Schissel‐bowl listen 22:50, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

The "move" option is available to everyone, not just admins, and that was what I did in order to change his name to a more appropriate transliteration from Greek: I moved Dmitri Mitropoulos to Dimitris Mitropoulos. I didn't find a more complete version of the article in the page history. Perhaps I've failed to understand what seems to be the problem. Can you be more specific? Etz Haim 23:43, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah — I see that Alan Pettersson which was similarly moved to Allan Pettersson was replaced with a redirect #REDIRECT [[Allan Pettersson]]. However, the latter move moved an article with information and improper spelling to an article which didn't exist but proper spelling. Moving [[Dimitri Mitropoulos]] replaced an existing page, with (six? more, I think) paragraphs of information (hopefully in the edit history somewhere. I expect so, it's how Wikipedia tends to work.) with a redirect to a new page, with more accurate orthography, but less information. Merging would have been better, as information in the old page would not have been lost. Thank you. Schissel‐bowl listen 02:52, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Correction; I can see the old version in this link. There are only four paragiraffes. But they are fuller ones and I hope you will now see some of my point. Schissel‐bowl listen 02:55, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

My tone's been rather rotten, though... agh. Will try to moderate that. Best. Schissel - bowl listen 03:01, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Now I see: Nothing has been replaced or removed, there are duplicate articles under Dimitri Mitropoulos and Dimitris Mitropoulos. The 'move' option has safety to prevent overwriting existing pages. The two articles should be merged together. Etz Haim 10:01, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And I apologize — I should have just asked (such a large change after all, and the page most recent changer available to ask) that I could have just done the page merge, not complain gripe murmur gripe *vbg* as I did! Schissel - bowl listen 14:28, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

I moved this from Talk:Dimitri Mitropoulos, since no one would see it there, and I just happened to see it posted when I was RC patrolling:

Je lis l'article consacré à Mitropoulos. Il omet de dire que c'est grâce à mon grand-père Armand Marsick que Mitropoulos a fait sa carrière. C'est Armand Marsick qui le forme à Atgènes, l'emmène en voyage à travers l'Europe... Il devait tout à Armand Marsick. Mais il s'est montré particulièrement ingrat! Mon grand-père était très amer... Armand Marsick a dominé le conservatoire d'Athènes de 1908 à 1922: c'est lui qui le réforme entièrement et en fait un conservatoire organisé sur le modèle du Conservatoire de Paris, avant d'en devenir le directeur. Pendant toute cette période, c'est lui qui organise et dirige l'orchestre symphonique d'Athènes. Et donc, Mitropoulos a pu entendre non seulement un large répertoire mais aussi tous les grands artistes de l'époque qui ont fait le voyage d'Athènes. Mais, curieusement, on ne cite presque jamais le rôle essentiel joué par Armand Marsick dans l'éducation musicale de Mitropoulos. J'espère que vous pourrez rectifier cette biographie et rendre à mon grand-père l'honneur qu'il mérite.

Jacques Marsick France —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.196.148.87 (talk • contribs) .

According to Grove, Mitropoulos was discovered by Armand Marsick at the age of ten; Jacques, Armand's grandson, has a point. I'm not sure just how much influence Armand may have had in his education, but if he was director of the academy in Athens, he was probably influential indeed. Antandrus (talk) 05:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anecdotal remark - While a student at the University of Minnesota in 1955 I was taking a first year course in psychology being taught by professor Bird (Byrd?) who was a considerable friend of Dimitri Mitropoulos. The subject of Dr. Bird's remarks one day concerned photographic memory and he was making the point that this capability occurred in two forms, visual and auditory. Considering that Mitropoulos conducted without a score, he apparently enjoyed both forms for Dr. Bird told the class that he and Mitropoulos had once taken a trip East together to hear a performance (possibly by the NY Phil.) of a newly discovered symphony. When they returned to their shared hotel room Mitropoulos immediately took out some blank sheets of musical staff paper he had brought along and began to furiously write musical notation. Dr. Bird asked what he was doing and Mitropoulos said he was writing out the symphony they had just heard. Professionally curious, Dr. Bird asked how he was capable of doing this? Mitropoulos replied that it was very easy for him, he simply replayed the symphony in his head and wrote it down as the music progressed. Within a short time, Dr. Bird said, "Dimitri" had written out the entire symphony including the scoring for the various orchestral sections, with the final remark that he was going to have the Minneapolis Symphony play it. Lynn Gallup - lwgallup@comcast.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.218.177 (talk) 14:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifications?

Two things here don't quite make sense: the article says DM introduced many works by Mahler...I assume this means he introduced them in the US? Also, did he die in the middle of an actual rehearsal of Mahler 3 in Milan, or is it just that he was in Milan preparing the performances and died before the performances took place? I can't fix these because I don't know the answers but I'm hoping someone could just check and clarify those points. Thanks in advance! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 03:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move proposal

Move to Dimitri Mitropoulos. Actual spelling of name used on LP covers of this conductor throughout his career. Badagnani (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I second this proposal. During his career Mitropoulos was universally known as "Dimitri."Markhh (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it's time to actually move the article now. Badagnani (talk) 01:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. -- JackofOz (talk) 02:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A year on and no action. No objections either. Can an admin please do the move, or do we need to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves for assistance? -- JackofOz (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators, anyone? Markhh (talk) 01:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move not possible for a regular editor to make because the Dimitri Mitropoulos page already exists. I have posted this on the Wikipedia:Requested moves page, requesting the help of an administrator to make the move. Markhh (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Markhh (talk) 06:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My recent edit downplaying the birthdate issue et al

My edit –[1] - was reverted “pending more careful examination of the material deleted”.

OK, let’s discuss.

The birthdate issue is not a problem for anyone who understands the Gregorian vs. Julian calendars. They were 12 days apart between 1 March 1800 and 1 March 1900. Since then they've been 13 days apart. But Mitropoulous was born in 1896, when they were 12 days apart. 18 February 1896 (Julian) + 12 days = 1 March 1896 (Gregorian). Why do we need to maintain there’s some “discrepancy” in the sources when the matter is very simply explained? And what’s this “Neo-Julian calendar”? Greece has used the Gregorian calendar since 1923 for civil purposes. The Greek Orthodox Church uses the Revised Julian calendar (is this the same thing as the Neo-Julian calendar?), but that’s irrelevant to this article. I put this into a footnote because it's of that level of magnitude. It certainly wasn't deleted, just re-worded.

Do we really need to show the address of his father’s shop? This was the only thing I deleted.

When we talk about his non-marriage and his homosexuality, this is obviously about his personal life, not his musical career, so we don’t need to say “In his personal life”. But it does belong close to the end, not interspersed with material about his conducting/recording career. If we want to make a visible distinction between his professional career and his personal life, the heading “Personal life” might be appropriate.

Any other changes I made were non-contentious things like linking composer’s names, putting opera titles into italics, etc. -- JackofOz (talk) 02:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This seems well-reasoned. I don't know why the address was removed without comment, however, as it did not negatively affect the article. Badagnani (talk) 04:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. If the address is the only sticking point, I'm happy to concede. I'll restore the edit, with the address included. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anachronism

"Mitropoulos premiered many contemporary works. The interpretation of Cemal Reşit Rey's Concerto chromatique with Orchestre de Paris is one of them." is pure nonsense. DM died seven years before the Orchestre de Paris was founded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.95.223.60 (talk) 12:39, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]