Talk:List of New Zealand politicians

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 August 2020. The result of the discussion was keep.

This page was proposed for deletion by Ivar the Boneful (talk · contribs) on 26 April 2020.

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Include governors-general?

Should a governor-general be included in this list? They're political, yes, but to my thinking, they're not actually politicians. I don't particularly mind one way or another, though. -- Vardion 00:02, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Either way, it may help to keep their list as at "see also". -- User:Docu

Local body politicians

At least one person listed has achieved a city mayoralty but never stood for Parliament. I don't mind leaving her there if we agree that that's a fair way to go and indicate it in the introduction. It would be unnecessarily clumsy to have a separate list, because we would then need a third list of people who have served in both capacities. Robin Patterson 02:56, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Minor and obscure politicians

Recently, I've been going through the various politicians in the 1st New Zealand Parliament and making short articles about each of them. I will probably do the same for the 2nd Parliament, 3rd Parliament, and so forth. So far, I've been adding all these politicians to this list. However, I'm now realising that there will be a great many politicians added to the list by the time I'm finished, and most of them are fairly obscure. People like Loughlin O'Brien and Robert Hart, for example, are not likely to be of great interest to anyone - I wrote stubs about them merely for the sake of completeness. I would propose, therefore, that this list be regarded as a list of notable politicians, leaving Category:New Zealand politicians to serve as the full list. (Of course, we then have to decide on a defition of "notable"). Any thoughts? -- Vardion 10:13, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A new category for "NZ 19th century politicians" would probably be a good way to go, too Grutness 23:49, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"Robbie"'s spelling

This page lists Sir Dove-Meyer Robinson, and links to a page on Dove-Myer Robinson. I'm pretty sure this page's spelling is correct and the article name is wrong. Can someone who knows more (or is in Akld, perhaps) check? Grutness 23:47, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(See also Talk:Dove-Myer Robinson -- Vardion 05:53, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC))

Gregory Fortuin

Gregory Fortuin was never an MP or a local body politican. He is a former Race Relations Consolidator. Should he be removed from this list --210.86.91.61 08:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category?

Wouldn't this work better as a category rather than a list? --Helenalex 21:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a category heirarchy at Category:New Zealand politicians. I haven't checked to see how many names are in the categories but not in this list, but given the lack of recent updating of the list, I suspect there will be quite a few.

Lists have two potential advantages over categories: they can include more information than just links to articles, and they can include redlinks. See any of the lists at WP:FL for examples of good lists. This list isn't very useful at present because it fails to provide any further information about the entries; for example it does not distinguish between local-body and national politicians, or between candidates and elected politicians. It has only the advantage of including some redlinks.

If you or someone else were to go through the redlinks on the list and decide which of them clearly should have an article on Wikipedia, and transfer those names to a list of missing articles at WP:NZ, then this list would be completely unnecessary and could be nominated for deletion.-gadfium 00:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just my thoughts (3 years later) - I can't see the point of having this list. Any other thoughts before I put it up for deletion? Schwede 66 00:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, having read the deletion policy again, the following justification doesn't align with valid reasons to put this up for AfD. Here's the reason that I had in mind:

In my opinion, this list is not useful at all. It is too broad in its scope, listing both local and national politicians. It would appear that this is much better covered by categories. The number of New Zealand politicians on WP is growing rapidly, but nobody adds anybody to this list, and as such, it is getting increasingly useless / outdated. I appreciate that all these reasons are not those that the deletion policy lists, so I expect there to be some divergent opinion to this proposal.

Instead, I've tagged the article for being much less complete than what you can get through the various politician categories. Schwede 66 01:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wallace Fard Muhammad

Whether Wallace Fard Muhammad was from New Zealand is questionable. He certainly wasn't a politician in New Zealand, but that is what this list is all about. Hence, I've removed that entry. Schwede 66 02:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed split

I propose the list be split into sub lists. At the very least separating national and local politicians. Could there be any further scope for a split? Ajf773 (talk) 23:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]