Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Moneta
Copy/paste vanity page of a non-notable possibly notable person from [1].--Lucky13pjn 02:59, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Does a vice-president of a very major university meet the professor test? Probably. On the other hand, it is a copy/paste. No inbound links. (No vote yet.) Samaritan 03:31, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Is a vice president of student affairs an important post?--Lucky13pjn 03:55, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- More influential and more important in a job-based ranking, yes, but more encyclopedic and notable? On reflection, I'm not so sure he's more notable than the average professor. The Duke Conservative Union seems to hate him, in part for nonpartisan reason ("Larry Moneta and his lemmings at student affairs came under fire for not alerting the campus of the first rape incident until days later?indeed, after the media was informed." [2]) Expectedly glowing Duke magazine profile here. The rape disclosure controversy merits mention at Duke University, but I'm not convinced about Moneta. Samaritan 03:59, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Is a vice president of student affairs an important post?--Lucky13pjn 03:55, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Copyvio should be tagged as such and listed on Wikipedia:Copyright Problems. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:34, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - he's obviously notable - and sort out copyright issues. Dan100 08:10, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable. --fvw* 08:22, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)
- Weak Keep (although copyvio should certainly be rectified). I'm a recent grad of Duke (Class Of 2004), and Larry Moneta's arrival (I believe it was during my sophomore year?) could be likened to the coming of the Antichrist. I have no strong opinion one way or the other about the guy, but he's probably the most hated man at Duke, for the following reasons: 1) his unapologetic policy of "Harvardization", 2) helping to make Aramark the provider of Duke's food services, 3) new housing policies that favor freshmen and sophomores over upperclassmen, 4) enacting policies to marginalize selective groups, fraternities, and sororities (and emphasizing 'quad-based' living groups which don't change from enrollment to graduation), 5) the flurry of student rapes last year and the slow reaction of the entire administration, and 6) that whole monorail thing (yes, Duke wants to build a monorail to facilitate transportation - Simpsons much?). And probably some other things that I can't remember (there's more, I'm sure). So... there's some background for you. Hope that helped? AvestanHamster 06:59, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Sounds like the makings of a far more interesting article than the one that is there (although much of this is of strictly local interest). Still, I would guess that using the school newspaper as a reference, one could do a duly cited article about some of these controversies that, if well written would be of genuine interest. Neutral for now, but if someone can turn this into an interesting profile, with decent citation, I'd keep it. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:03, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head, Jmabel. I think he's notable for some of the trends he's perpetuating, especially when you consider how most other Southern universities of note (Emory and Rice, to name two more off the top of my head) are also currently "Harvardizing". But is he really important in the big scheme of things? *shrugs shoulders* Only time will tell, I guess... AvestanHamster 09:47, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Sounds like the makings of a far more interesting article than the one that is there (although much of this is of strictly local interest). Still, I would guess that using the school newspaper as a reference, one could do a duly cited article about some of these controversies that, if well written would be of genuine interest. Neutral for now, but if someone can turn this into an interesting profile, with decent citation, I'd keep it. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:03, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: wrong side of the line. Every university has a bunch of vice presidents for this-n-that. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:17, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, current article is unhelpful, though. Wyss 00:29, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:01, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Even if the copyvio issues are resolved, I'm not seeing any evidence that puts him on the right side of the recommended criteria for inclusion of biographies. The controversies that Avestan describes above belong in the Duke University article, not isolated in the biography of a single administrator. Delete unless other evidence provided. Rossami (talk) 04:38, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)